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	<description>In the midst of life I woke to find myself living in an old house beside Brick Lane in the East End of London</description>
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		By: Martin Lightfoot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Lightfoot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Dec 2024 17:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Earlier this year I sat ,very comfortably ,on one of the seats in the middle of the concourse of  Liverpool Street Station ,from 5.00 pm till 7.00 pm to see how busy the station got during the evening rush hour. It was at no time overcrowded and it was very relaxing seated under the brilliant natural light glassed open space above.
All to be lost if anything like this scheme ever gets the go ahead.
       The disabled access to the different levels could , and should, be achieved for pennies. I will happily suggest and price a scheme if net work rail are not able to do this without destroying our  station.
      I was invited by the Station Master to consider staying at the Station when I finished as a Platform Porter ( platforms 9. And 10 ) in 1956, but Guy’s Hospital called to continue my studies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earlier this year I sat ,very comfortably ,on one of the seats in the middle of the concourse of  Liverpool Street Station ,from 5.00 pm till 7.00 pm to see how busy the station got during the evening rush hour. It was at no time overcrowded and it was very relaxing seated under the brilliant natural light glassed open space above.<br />
All to be lost if anything like this scheme ever gets the go ahead.<br />
       The disabled access to the different levels could , and should, be achieved for pennies. I will happily suggest and price a scheme if net work rail are not able to do this without destroying our  station.<br />
      I was invited by the Station Master to consider staying at the Station when I finished as a Platform Porter ( platforms 9. And 10 ) in 1956, but Guy’s Hospital called to continue my studies.</p>
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		By: mlaiuppa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mlaiuppa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2024 07:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s pretty hideous.]]></description>
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		By: Joanna Biddolph		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joanna Biddolph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2024 03:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Glad someone else - Griff - has seen through the trick of the tilt-shift lens. 

&quot;Look at these very carefully. The exact plans have not yet been revealed but these visualisations are hugely misleading. The angle of vision is of a three-foot tall squirrel wearing wide-angle glasses.&quot; 

Since I discovered this, with a developer&#039;s plans for Holly House on Chiswick roundabout, I&#039;ve always called it a worm&#039;s eye view. Lie on the ground and a shorter building nearer you will appear so tall that much taller buildings behind will appear to be only marginally taller. If you believe the developer&#039;s images for Chiswick, the 90 metre (25 storeys) tall Holly House is roughly twice the height of a modest urban tree. It&#039;s a con. Developers think we are too stupid to work out what they are doing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad someone else &#8211; Griff &#8211; has seen through the trick of the tilt-shift lens. </p>
<p>&#8220;Look at these very carefully. The exact plans have not yet been revealed but these visualisations are hugely misleading. The angle of vision is of a three-foot tall squirrel wearing wide-angle glasses.&#8221; </p>
<p>Since I discovered this, with a developer&#8217;s plans for Holly House on Chiswick roundabout, I&#8217;ve always called it a worm&#8217;s eye view. Lie on the ground and a shorter building nearer you will appear so tall that much taller buildings behind will appear to be only marginally taller. If you believe the developer&#8217;s images for Chiswick, the 90 metre (25 storeys) tall Holly House is roughly twice the height of a modest urban tree. It&#8217;s a con. Developers think we are too stupid to work out what they are doing.</p>
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		By: Peter Holford		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Holford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2024 14:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have written my objection to the previous proposal.  I don&#039;t see any reason to withdraw it with this scam, er, sorry, scheme.  It is a classic developer&#039;s ploy; propose something totally unacceptable and then, once it is knocked back &#039;refine&#039; the proposal and keep doing it until you get to the point where people give up thinking they have achieved a sort of victory.  Except the victory is the developer&#039;s.

In a previous age a similar redevelopment took place.  It was considered that an old Victorian station needed to be replaced with a totally modern, fully functioning, 20th century building.  And so we got Euston - easily the worst London (possibly British) terminal station of all - dark, dangerous, stressful, crowded, (add your own adjectives).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have written my objection to the previous proposal.  I don&#8217;t see any reason to withdraw it with this scam, er, sorry, scheme.  It is a classic developer&#8217;s ploy; propose something totally unacceptable and then, once it is knocked back &#8216;refine&#8217; the proposal and keep doing it until you get to the point where people give up thinking they have achieved a sort of victory.  Except the victory is the developer&#8217;s.</p>
<p>In a previous age a similar redevelopment took place.  It was considered that an old Victorian station needed to be replaced with a totally modern, fully functioning, 20th century building.  And so we got Euston &#8211; easily the worst London (possibly British) terminal station of all &#8211; dark, dangerous, stressful, crowded, (add your own adjectives).</p>
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		By: Greg T		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2024 14:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oops - update ..
&quot;Acme&quot; as in Wliey E Coyuote?
Really?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops &#8211; update ..<br />
&#8220;Acme&#8221; as in Wliey E Coyuote?<br />
Really?</p>
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		By: Greg T		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2024 14:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here we go again
Thanks for this
I&#039;ll have to dig out my previous objection letter &#038; revise it ...
As a consicous user of LST since 1954, when I was 8 &#038; almost certainly before then .. 
Other have already stated excellent reasons for our continued objections to the developers stupidity]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we go again<br />
Thanks for this<br />
I&#8217;ll have to dig out my previous objection letter &amp; revise it &#8230;<br />
As a consicous user of LST since 1954, when I was 8 &amp; almost certainly before then ..<br />
Other have already stated excellent reasons for our continued objections to the developers stupidity</p>
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		By: Alex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2024 09:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Completely agree with this assessment.  How is Network Rail allowed to operate in such an unaccountable way?  Does no one in the government (or the opposition) think that something better is required?

If Network Rail were seriously in doing this properly, they would have a public competition, and allow the public to meaningfully consider different proposals (including doing nothing at all), rather than trying to ram this huge commercial development through.

Here&#039;s an idea that allows for substantial new development while respecting and enhancing the station. Will Network Rail even acknowledge alternative options exist?  No, because all they care about is maximising development revenue https://www.loc.us.org/posts/liverpool-street-station-a-counterproposal]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree with this assessment.  How is Network Rail allowed to operate in such an unaccountable way?  Does no one in the government (or the opposition) think that something better is required?</p>
<p>If Network Rail were seriously in doing this properly, they would have a public competition, and allow the public to meaningfully consider different proposals (including doing nothing at all), rather than trying to ram this huge commercial development through.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an idea that allows for substantial new development while respecting and enhancing the station. Will Network Rail even acknowledge alternative options exist?  No, because all they care about is maximising development revenue <a href="https://www.loc.us.org/posts/liverpool-street-station-a-counterproposal" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.loc.us.org/posts/liverpool-street-station-a-counterproposal</a></p>
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		By: George Kearse		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Kearse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2024 08:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The proposal is &quot;to place a totally out-of-character cankerous growth to sprout on top of a noble Victorian station&quot;; sums up &#039;four men in  room with no windows thinking&quot; in my mind.

Someone has perhaps looked at the likes of Hong Kong MTR, seen what they have seen &#039;towers soring ninety metres high&#039;, and decided there&#039;s money in them there skies - splash a bit of green in there for the appearance of aesthetics  -having no sense whatsoever of &#039;proportion&#039; nor the &#039;difference&#039; between what they &#039;see&#039; there in Hong Kong and what is the actually Liverpool St Station Conservation Area and its surrounds.
  
Hong Kong MTR has never planned for structures to &quot;tower ninety metres over a Conservation Area&quot; nor have they looked to dwarf and dominate by &quot;building directly on top of a listed station concourse to demolish and expand much of the area below&quot; ... &quot;radically altering the majority of protected views in the Conservation Area&quot;.

Hong Kong MTR have looked to build atop stations, having no particular interest to the eye, buildings and structures with all the shops and eateries and infrastructure that goes with creating areas that are attractive and affordable for everyday working families and individuals, those who are the backbone of  all that is London, to live and seamlessly commute to their work from fully integrated neighbourhood communities sat atop many of their MTR stations deep below ground.

I&#039;m going to have to flush these images of planned development before they become indelibly imprinted in my mind destroying any sense of the will to continue to live.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proposal is &#8220;to place a totally out-of-character cankerous growth to sprout on top of a noble Victorian station&#8221;; sums up &#8216;four men in  room with no windows thinking&#8221; in my mind.</p>
<p>Someone has perhaps looked at the likes of Hong Kong MTR, seen what they have seen &#8216;towers soring ninety metres high&#8217;, and decided there&#8217;s money in them there skies &#8211; splash a bit of green in there for the appearance of aesthetics  -having no sense whatsoever of &#8216;proportion&#8217; nor the &#8216;difference&#8217; between what they &#8216;see&#8217; there in Hong Kong and what is the actually Liverpool St Station Conservation Area and its surrounds.</p>
<p>Hong Kong MTR has never planned for structures to &#8220;tower ninety metres over a Conservation Area&#8221; nor have they looked to dwarf and dominate by &#8220;building directly on top of a listed station concourse to demolish and expand much of the area below&#8221; &#8230; &#8220;radically altering the majority of protected views in the Conservation Area&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hong Kong MTR have looked to build atop stations, having no particular interest to the eye, buildings and structures with all the shops and eateries and infrastructure that goes with creating areas that are attractive and affordable for everyday working families and individuals, those who are the backbone of  all that is London, to live and seamlessly commute to their work from fully integrated neighbourhood communities sat atop many of their MTR stations deep below ground.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to have to flush these images of planned development before they become indelibly imprinted in my mind destroying any sense of the will to continue to live.</p>
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