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		By: Benedict Cruft		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2021 18:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have recently read Thomas Almeroth-Williams&#039; fascinating book &quot;City of Beasts&quot; and thoroughly recommend it to everybody who is interested in the mainly forgotten aspects of life in pre-motorised London.  Of lot of the things he writes about (pigs being very successfully reared in distilleries and breweries on the waste products) and the keeping of urban milch cows in central London were almost unknown to me. I do however recall reading in the conductor Sir Adrian Boult&#039;s 1973 autobiography &quot;My Own Trumpet&quot;, when he was writing about his schooldays at Westminster School, that at the Trafalgar Square end of the Mall &quot;where Admiralty Arch now stands, I can actually remember a farmyard on the site, through the mud and manure of which foot-passengers could get to Trafalgar Square, buying, if they wished, a drink &#039;warm from the cow&#039;, milked specially for each customer for a halfpenny.&quot;

Mr Almeroth-Williams is particularly good on the droving of cattle and sheep from Scotland and Wales to London&#039;s Smithfield Market, but this led me to consider what kind of droving had happened to the South of the river Thames, something that is much harder to find out, though there is a quite well-known drove road in the Tolworth area.  The Old Kent Road has a Vietnamese restaurant that is in an old established pub called the Kentish Drovers.  On the north side of Kennington Lane in Greenwood’s 1826 map  https://iiif.lib.harvard.edu/manifests/view/ids:8982548   there is a &quot;Cattle Yard&quot; indicated,   and in  Horwood’s 1819 revision by Faden  — https://www.romanticlondon.org/the-1819-plan/#18/51.49159/-0.10572 — the same place is marked as &quot;Cattle Penns&quot;.   As there were few grazing fields left in this area of London near the Elephant and Castle, presumably these were holding pens for cattle being driven up to market.  Clapham Road and Kennington Park Road have Georgian houses widely spaced opposite each other, and  there was a toll booth by St Mark’s Church at the Oval.  I have to envision a tightly packed herd of animals being walked up to London as far as Newington Butts and kept there for the night before being walked over a bridge to Smithfields.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have recently read Thomas Almeroth-Williams&#8217; fascinating book &#8220;City of Beasts&#8221; and thoroughly recommend it to everybody who is interested in the mainly forgotten aspects of life in pre-motorised London.  Of lot of the things he writes about (pigs being very successfully reared in distilleries and breweries on the waste products) and the keeping of urban milch cows in central London were almost unknown to me. I do however recall reading in the conductor Sir Adrian Boult&#8217;s 1973 autobiography &#8220;My Own Trumpet&#8221;, when he was writing about his schooldays at Westminster School, that at the Trafalgar Square end of the Mall &#8220;where Admiralty Arch now stands, I can actually remember a farmyard on the site, through the mud and manure of which foot-passengers could get to Trafalgar Square, buying, if they wished, a drink &#8216;warm from the cow&#8217;, milked specially for each customer for a halfpenny.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mr Almeroth-Williams is particularly good on the droving of cattle and sheep from Scotland and Wales to London&#8217;s Smithfield Market, but this led me to consider what kind of droving had happened to the South of the river Thames, something that is much harder to find out, though there is a quite well-known drove road in the Tolworth area.  The Old Kent Road has a Vietnamese restaurant that is in an old established pub called the Kentish Drovers.  On the north side of Kennington Lane in Greenwood’s 1826 map  <a href="https://iiif.lib.harvard.edu/manifests/view/ids:8982548" rel="nofollow ugc">https://iiif.lib.harvard.edu/manifests/view/ids:8982548</a>   there is a &#8220;Cattle Yard&#8221; indicated,   and in  Horwood’s 1819 revision by Faden  — <a href="https://www.romanticlondon.org/the-1819-plan/#18/51.49159/-0.10572" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.romanticlondon.org/the-1819-plan/#18/51.49159/-0.10572</a> — the same place is marked as &#8220;Cattle Penns&#8221;.   As there were few grazing fields left in this area of London near the Elephant and Castle, presumably these were holding pens for cattle being driven up to market.  Clapham Road and Kennington Park Road have Georgian houses widely spaced opposite each other, and  there was a toll booth by St Mark’s Church at the Oval.  I have to envision a tightly packed herd of animals being walked up to London as far as Newington Butts and kept there for the night before being walked over a bridge to Smithfields.</p>
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		By: Derek Stride		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek Stride]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Aug 2019 18:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember being told about some research on the the large sample of Georgian remains from Christ Church Spitalfields Crypt that showed some with broken ribs, sometimes healed. Apparently, this was a recognised injury, due to people walking on pavements being hit by horses, carts and carriages, as they struggled along congested streets.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember being told about some research on the the large sample of Georgian remains from Christ Church Spitalfields Crypt that showed some with broken ribs, sometimes healed. Apparently, this was a recognised injury, due to people walking on pavements being hit by horses, carts and carriages, as they struggled along congested streets.</p>
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		By: Judithhb		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2019 20:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yet another fascinating introduction to an earlier life in the city in which I knew many years ago. Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another fascinating introduction to an earlier life in the city in which I knew many years ago. Thank you.</p>
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		By: Thomas Almeroth-Williams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Almeroth-Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2019 11:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Many thanks everyone for your kind words about the post plus your great questions, memories and  insights about London&#039;s animals, post-Georgian. I&#039;m really enjoying reading them. Keep them coming and I hope you&#039;ll go on to enjoy the book.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks everyone for your kind words about the post plus your great questions, memories and  insights about London&#8217;s animals, post-Georgian. I&#8217;m really enjoying reading them. Keep them coming and I hope you&#8217;ll go on to enjoy the book.</p>
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		By: David Wilson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Thomas, that&#039;s good to hear. I bought a copy the Lewis print of the painting some years ago, assuming it was the London Smithfield, which it certainly resembled. But then I saw contradictory information on the internet, and wasn&#039;t sure if it mightn&#039;t be Dublin after all. Your information clearly knocks that theory out of the water.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Thomas, that&#8217;s good to hear. I bought a copy the Lewis print of the painting some years ago, assuming it was the London Smithfield, which it certainly resembled. But then I saw contradictory information on the internet, and wasn&#8217;t sure if it mightn&#8217;t be Dublin after all. Your information clearly knocks that theory out of the water.</p>
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		By: Peter Holford		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Holford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Growing up in the Borough of Wandsworth I remember well the horse-drawn drays of Young&#039;s Brewery.  Magnificent horses that coped well with the traffic - but I&#039;m not sure the traffic coped with them much of the time.  They were still being used into this century.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing up in the Borough of Wandsworth I remember well the horse-drawn drays of Young&#8217;s Brewery.  Magnificent horses that coped well with the traffic &#8211; but I&#8217;m not sure the traffic coped with them much of the time.  They were still being used into this century.</p>
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		By: Di Corry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Di Corry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2019 18:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Absolutely fascinating article and such an amazing body of research.
Thank you for sharing this with the Gentle Author &#039;s devotees!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely fascinating article and such an amazing body of research.<br />
Thank you for sharing this with the Gentle Author &#8216;s devotees!</p>
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		By: Thomas Almeroth-Williams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Almeroth-Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2019 10:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To answer Max&#039;s question, this hill was called Whitechapel Mount. It was levelled in the early 1800s. It&#039;s had some attention but beware some of the myths about its origins. I hope this is a helpful starting point: https://surveyoflondon.org/map/feature/1170/detail/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer Max&#8217;s question, this hill was called Whitechapel Mount. It was levelled in the early 1800s. It&#8217;s had some attention but beware some of the myths about its origins. I hope this is a helpful starting point: <a href="https://surveyoflondon.org/map/feature/1170/detail/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://surveyoflondon.org/map/feature/1170/detail/</a></p>
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		By: Thomas Almeroth-Williams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Almeroth-Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2019 10:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To answer David&#039;s question, Agasse depicts London&#039;s Smithfield market for horses which took place every Friday soon after the departure of the cattle, sheep and pigs. Horse trading had taken place in Smithfield from at least the 12th century. This image is also given the title &#039;A View of Smithfield on a Friday Afternoon&#039; (British Museum and Museum of London). In the 1730s at least Dublin&#039;s horse market took place on Thursdays. There are also striking similarities between the architecture in Agasse&#039;s image and that in Pugin &#038; Rowlandson&#039;s bird&#039;s eye view of the market when it was filled with livestock.

Agasse was well-known and respected for his horse sense among London&#039;s dealers, grooms and equestrians. I&#039;m not aware of any evidence that Agasse ever travelled to Ireland. He moved permanently to London in 1800 and lived there until his death in 1849. 

I think it&#039;s fair to say that Agasse  made the Smithfield horse trade look a little more respectable than it actually was. By the late 18th century, it had a pretty bad reputation for criminality, raucous behaviour and cruelty. Agasse depicts a fine dray horse and some elegant riding horses but no knackers despite there being a thriving trade in them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer David&#8217;s question, Agasse depicts London&#8217;s Smithfield market for horses which took place every Friday soon after the departure of the cattle, sheep and pigs. Horse trading had taken place in Smithfield from at least the 12th century. This image is also given the title &#8216;A View of Smithfield on a Friday Afternoon&#8217; (British Museum and Museum of London). In the 1730s at least Dublin&#8217;s horse market took place on Thursdays. There are also striking similarities between the architecture in Agasse&#8217;s image and that in Pugin &amp; Rowlandson&#8217;s bird&#8217;s eye view of the market when it was filled with livestock.</p>
<p>Agasse was well-known and respected for his horse sense among London&#8217;s dealers, grooms and equestrians. I&#8217;m not aware of any evidence that Agasse ever travelled to Ireland. He moved permanently to London in 1800 and lived there until his death in 1849. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s fair to say that Agasse  made the Smithfield horse trade look a little more respectable than it actually was. By the late 18th century, it had a pretty bad reputation for criminality, raucous behaviour and cruelty. Agasse depicts a fine dray horse and some elegant riding horses but no knackers despite there being a thriving trade in them.</p>
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		By: Adriaane Pielou		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adriaane Pielou]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2019 09:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wonderful. What a fascinating story and piece of research.
Thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful. What a fascinating story and piece of research.<br />
Thank you.</p>
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