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	<description>In the midst of life I woke to find myself living in an old house beside Brick Lane in the East End of London</description>
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		By: Ms Terry Ashton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 06:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does anyone have much information about Booth Street? My GG Morris Shumofsky was living there according to the 1901 UK census. I would love any information about the street.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone have much information about Booth Street? My GG Morris Shumofsky was living there according to the 1901 UK census. I would love any information about the street.</p>
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		By: David Levy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Levy]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was born in 1933,
My grandparents owned a grocery shop at 41 Artillery Lane.
I lived at  that address for several years and also in a flat at 56 Artillery Lane which has the best Georgian shop front in London. 
I attended St. Joseph&#039;s school in Gun Street.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born in 1933,<br />
My grandparents owned a grocery shop at 41 Artillery Lane.<br />
I lived at  that address for several years and also in a flat at 56 Artillery Lane which has the best Georgian shop front in London.<br />
I attended St. Joseph&#8217;s school in Gun Street.</p>
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		By: Dianne Sandland		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dianne Sandland]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh this has answered decades of confusion for me. You see, I spent my first five years living at 186 Pelham Street Buildings, Woodseer Street. I moved with my parents as part of the slum clearances at the end of the 1950s. 

Over the intervening years I have often tried to research where I came from but I have never found mention of Pelham Buildings. I&#039;ve found the odd mention of Pelham Street but believed it to be an adjunct to Woodseer Street, not a former name. I still need to find out more about the buildings, if anybody knows anything but I can rest easier just knowing the answer the Pelham Stree/Woodseer Street mystery. Thank you. 

Dianne Sandland nee Batham]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh this has answered decades of confusion for me. You see, I spent my first five years living at 186 Pelham Street Buildings, Woodseer Street. I moved with my parents as part of the slum clearances at the end of the 1950s. </p>
<p>Over the intervening years I have often tried to research where I came from but I have never found mention of Pelham Buildings. I&#8217;ve found the odd mention of Pelham Street but believed it to be an adjunct to Woodseer Street, not a former name. I still need to find out more about the buildings, if anybody knows anything but I can rest easier just knowing the answer the Pelham Stree/Woodseer Street mystery. Thank you. </p>
<p>Dianne Sandland nee Batham</p>
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		By: Vicki Lovell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vicki Lovell]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[How wonderful, what fabulous drawings and story. My Great great grandfather was living at 24 Pelham Road when he was 16, and fatherless, as an appretice to a man who was a Chair Maker. My ggrandfather went on to become a Cabinet maker employing his family and others. I am so pleased to find this drawing and details. I wonder, is Pelham Road in any way connected with the book/movie &quot;The Taking of Pelham 123&quot;. I have seen an American version but I think the first version I saw was from the UK and wondered if this is where the name comes from? 
Cheers from Oz.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How wonderful, what fabulous drawings and story. My Great great grandfather was living at 24 Pelham Road when he was 16, and fatherless, as an appretice to a man who was a Chair Maker. My ggrandfather went on to become a Cabinet maker employing his family and others. I am so pleased to find this drawing and details. I wonder, is Pelham Road in any way connected with the book/movie &#8220;The Taking of Pelham 123&#8221;. I have seen an American version but I think the first version I saw was from the UK and wondered if this is where the name comes from?<br />
Cheers from Oz.</p>
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		By: Barbara		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 22:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very interesting to see Spitalfields Market, where my great-grandfather was a potato merchant - at least his widow was described as &quot;potato merchant&quot; in the phone directory.   Apparently Charles Harper, according to family story, &quot;owned half of Spitalfields Market, and his son James gambled it all away&quot;.   Are there any more Harpers in the area? - I think mine lived in North Street - must look it all up - Alice Ada Harper, who had about four sisters and two brothers,  married George Robert Walker in late 1800s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting to see Spitalfields Market, where my great-grandfather was a potato merchant &#8211; at least his widow was described as &#8220;potato merchant&#8221; in the phone directory.   Apparently Charles Harper, according to family story, &#8220;owned half of Spitalfields Market, and his son James gambled it all away&#8221;.   Are there any more Harpers in the area? &#8211; I think mine lived in North Street &#8211; must look it all up &#8211; Alice Ada Harper, who had about four sisters and two brothers,  married George Robert Walker in late 1800s.</p>
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		By: Gary Arber		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Arber]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 21:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When you look at those old buildings and think of the weavers working in dim light for long hours you wonder about the state of their eyes.
When I was young an old lady lived opposite me who had been a court dressmaker straining her eyes in those conditions, she was so blind that she could not see to her front gate.
Gary]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you look at those old buildings and think of the weavers working in dim light for long hours you wonder about the state of their eyes.<br />
When I was young an old lady lived opposite me who had been a court dressmaker straining her eyes in those conditions, she was so blind that she could not see to her front gate.<br />
Gary</p>
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		By: David Milne.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Milne.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 16:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent! 
What a great joy  to see what was there before the 18th century terraces and merchant houses that in turn led us to where we are all today!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent!<br />
What a great joy  to see what was there before the 18th century terraces and merchant houses that in turn led us to where we are all today!</p>
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		By: sprite		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 13:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s almost as if I had been waiting for this kind of post describing the life as it was happening during the silk weavers apoge and putting a bit of green back in Bethnal Green.

Ever since my first ever encounter with a huguenot descendant, Monsieur Préou, a patient at Mile End Hospital during my nursing training, I&#039;ve wondered about the French link to this part of London. I can&#039;t describe the effect of this post but it&#039;s made so much come alive in my imagination and who knows, in past lives memories.

Lyon, silk capital, in parallel time was undergoing revolts because of the poverty of the silk weavers. As nowdays, brand names clothes are manufactured in Bengladesh and other poverty strickent areas of the globe, only to be noticed when it all goes up into flames!!! It would be interesting to have a connection of Huguenots celebrations with today&#039;s Bengladesh immigration history in this part of London.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canut_revolts

The following song describes the plight of the Canuts (silk weavers of Lyon) going bare-arsed whilst weaving cloths of gold for the Greats of the Church. It ends though with:

but our reign will arrive
when yours will finish
we&#039;ll weave the shroud
of the Old World 
as we can already hear
the rumbles of revolt
we are the Canuts
we&#039;ll no longer walk naked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjNuE28K10M

For some reasons the following sentence
&#039;&#039;There was a chandler’s shop at which shuttles, reeds and quills, and the smaller parts of weaving apparatus  were exposed for sale in a window in company with split-peas,  bundles of wood and red herrings.&#039;&#039;

makes me think of the back of the Taj  Store in Brick Lane where farming tools implements are displayed next to the spices and other commodities, including split peas, and if not red herrings, dried and/or salt fish.

The derelict aspect of the paneless windows is also reminiscent of Brick Lane in the 80s where budleia was seen in virtually all houses in the street and pigeons were flying in and out of windowless first floors.

Strange to feel nostalgic for an area so full of hardships for so many! ... but nostalgia is a strange thing.


treading lightly
in ancestors footsteps
gossamer threads
weave in and out and in
of hemp and coton lives]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s almost as if I had been waiting for this kind of post describing the life as it was happening during the silk weavers apoge and putting a bit of green back in Bethnal Green.</p>
<p>Ever since my first ever encounter with a huguenot descendant, Monsieur Préou, a patient at Mile End Hospital during my nursing training, I&#8217;ve wondered about the French link to this part of London. I can&#8217;t describe the effect of this post but it&#8217;s made so much come alive in my imagination and who knows, in past lives memories.</p>
<p>Lyon, silk capital, in parallel time was undergoing revolts because of the poverty of the silk weavers. As nowdays, brand names clothes are manufactured in Bengladesh and other poverty strickent areas of the globe, only to be noticed when it all goes up into flames!!! It would be interesting to have a connection of Huguenots celebrations with today&#8217;s Bengladesh immigration history in this part of London.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canut_revolts" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canut_revolts</a></p>
<p>The following song describes the plight of the Canuts (silk weavers of Lyon) going bare-arsed whilst weaving cloths of gold for the Greats of the Church. It ends though with:</p>
<p>but our reign will arrive<br />
when yours will finish<br />
we&#8217;ll weave the shroud<br />
of the Old World<br />
as we can already hear<br />
the rumbles of revolt<br />
we are the Canuts<br />
we&#8217;ll no longer walk naked</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjNuE28K10M" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjNuE28K10M</a></p>
<p>For some reasons the following sentence<br />
&#8221;There was a chandler’s shop at which shuttles, reeds and quills, and the smaller parts of weaving apparatus  were exposed for sale in a window in company with split-peas,  bundles of wood and red herrings.&#8221;</p>
<p>makes me think of the back of the Taj  Store in Brick Lane where farming tools implements are displayed next to the spices and other commodities, including split peas, and if not red herrings, dried and/or salt fish.</p>
<p>The derelict aspect of the paneless windows is also reminiscent of Brick Lane in the 80s where budleia was seen in virtually all houses in the street and pigeons were flying in and out of windowless first floors.</p>
<p>Strange to feel nostalgic for an area so full of hardships for so many! &#8230; but nostalgia is a strange thing.</p>
<p>treading lightly<br />
in ancestors footsteps<br />
gossamer threads<br />
weave in and out and in<br />
of hemp and coton lives</p>
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		By: sbw		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 07:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How interesting, thank you.]]></description>
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		By: Peter Holford		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 07:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A hard life.  My great-great uncle, Jesse Pound, left an autobiography lamenting the lot of his younger sister who had the misfortune to marry a silk weaver, George Holford, in 1822.  He wrote &quot;My sister Amelia, two years younger than myself, married young, and very unfortunately.  Her husband was a silk weaver of the name of Holford, of low habits, and a harsh disposition.  They have had a large family and slender means.  Her trials have been numerous, severe, and long continued.  But as I have not heard from her these six years past [he was living in New York as the Methodist minister for Greenwich Village],  I know not whether she is living or dead.&quot; 

 It&#039;s just as well that she did marry the silk weaver or I wouldn&#039;t be writing this response!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A hard life.  My great-great uncle, Jesse Pound, left an autobiography lamenting the lot of his younger sister who had the misfortune to marry a silk weaver, George Holford, in 1822.  He wrote &#8220;My sister Amelia, two years younger than myself, married young, and very unfortunately.  Her husband was a silk weaver of the name of Holford, of low habits, and a harsh disposition.  They have had a large family and slender means.  Her trials have been numerous, severe, and long continued.  But as I have not heard from her these six years past [he was living in New York as the Methodist minister for Greenwich Village],  I know not whether she is living or dead.&#8221; </p>
<p> It&#8217;s just as well that she did marry the silk weaver or I wouldn&#8217;t be writing this response!</p>
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