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Madge Darby, Historian of Wapping

July 1, 2012
by the gentle author

“People have always come here, either to convert us or to rip us off.”

No-one knows more about the history of Wapping than Madge Darby, a woman who has made it her life’s imperative to recount the story of her people. And when Madge speaks of Wapping – as she does frequently – she uses the word “us” or she simply says “we.” This is her natural prerogative, because there are records of her family beginning with an Elizabeth Darby, christened there in 1636, while on her mother’s side, her great-great-grandfather, Robert Petley, and his family were turned out of their home at the beginning of in the nineteenth century for the building of St Katherine’s Dock. Thus, the story of the Darbys is the story of the place and it is a narrative with a certain poignancy because, at eighty-five years old, after so many generations, Madge is now the last of the Darbys in Wapping.

Yet Madge is not a sentimentalist and she is very much alive, occupying a central position in the neighbourhood – culturally, as chairman of the History of Wapping Trust and topographically, residing in an old terrace at Wapping Pierhead, cheek by jowl amongst the celebrities and bankers who have come to Wapping in recent years. It was here I visited Madge last week, discovering her in the dining room surrounded by the paperwork from the latest edition of her history of Wapping, “Piety & Piracy.”

“People have always come here, either to convert us or to rip us off,” she declared to me in explanation of the title of her book. And her eyes sparkled with emotion as she waved an estate agent’s circular which revealed that a neighbouring house had just sold for millions, thereby offering evidence of the nature of piracy in contemporary Wapping. Born in 1927 in Old Gravel Lane, five minutes walk from where she lives today, Madge and her family were twice displaced from their home, once for a road widening that never happened and once as part of a slum clearance programme.

“I’m not in favour of the housing policy that has pushed most of the indigenous people out and broken up the community,” she admitted frankly, deeply disappointed that recent generations of her family have been unable to find homes in the neighbourhood. A situation that she ascribes to escalating property prices and a social housing programme which, for decades, made little provision for those without children, forcing them to seek homes elsewhere.

“We were lucky to find this before the prices went up,” she said, casting her eyes around her appealingly dishevelled terrace house that she moved into in 1975 with her brother and mother, both of whom she cared for there until they died. “These houses were built in 1811 for dock staff and when we came there was only one tap. It took us years to save up to get heating installed.” she recalled. As a child, Madge came for piano lessons with a Miss Edith Pack in one of the adjoining buildings, overlooking the entrance to the docks, and was commonly distracted by the ships passing the window. Apart from a brief period of evacuation to Whitchurch, Madge was in London for most of the war, attending Raine’s School which operated in Spital Square before moving up to Dalston where Madge took her school certificates, prior to entering Queen Mary College to study History in 1945. In Madge’s memory, the streets of Wapping always smelled of spices, while in Spitalfields the smell of cabbages from the market prevailed.

Madge explained that her approach to history is based upon the evidence of surviving documentation. “Our dear mother used to say to us,’You’ll have to burn all those old letters in my bureau when I’m gone.’” Madge told me with a twinkle in her eye, “And I always replied, ‘Why? Where are you going dear?’” After her mother’s death, Madge published these letters in five volumes, comprising correspondence and diaries that tell the intertwining histories of her family and Wapping from 1886 until the beginning of our own century. The final volume is Madge’s personal memoir, commencing, “As soon as I became aware of the world around me, I found that I lived in Wapping. Wapping seemed to me a wonderful place and I could never understand how anyone fortunate enough to have been born there could wish to move away.”

We left the house and walked out to take a stroll upon the lawn at the Pierhead, overlooking the Thames, and we sat together overlooking the water in the sunshine. But while I only saw an empty expanse, Madge could remember when the docks were working at capacity and the river was busy with traffic. Madge told me about the previous inhabitants of the Pierhead before the current residents from the world of celebrity chatshows and bankers’ bonuses. Then, searching further in her mind, she spoke with excitement of Captain Bligh and Judge Jefferies in Wapping, both of whom are subjects of her books. “Wapping only became part of London in the seventeenth century,” she informed me with a tinge of regret, “Stowe describes it as one of the suburbs.”

With her thick white hair cropped into nineteen-thirties-style bob and her lively blue eyes, Madge was the picture of animation.“We carry on, we do our best,” she reassured me, speaking both of herself and of Wapping.

Madge Darby

Madge’s house is one room deep, with windows facing onto the road and towards the river.

Madge in the rose garden at Wapping Pierhead outside the former Dockmaster’s House.

The house in Cable St where Madge’s father, Harry Darby, was born.

73 Responses leave one →
  1. July 1, 2012

    How fascinating and what a remarkable woman. I hope Madge doesn’t disapprove but I briefly (early 1980′s),squatted a flat in a brick built block of flats which had been emptied of it’s tenants. I don’t know where they were rehoused or what was been planned for the site. It was right by the river. We used to explore the empty flats which were still carpeted and noted the pride with which people had kept their homes. I recall it as a warm yet ghostly experience and I tried to imagine what it must have been like to grow up and live by the wonderful Thames. By the way, Madge has a splendid dresser and those pieces decorated with birds are magnificent.

  2. Ruth permalink
    July 2, 2012

    I love those Wapping Pierhead houses & have often dreamed of living in one and watching the river go by from my windows! I’m so glad that someone with roots deep in the area lives in at least one of them.

  3. July 5, 2012

    Great piece! I had heard that the term ‘what a whopper’ ( Wapper ) was from the time when pirates where hung to rot on Wapping Pierhead. The corpse would bloat up and people cried “What a whopper”!

  4. December 21, 2012

    i would like to let madge darby know that i remember her mum,brother & herself,i left
    wapping in 1974 went basingstoke ,overspill of londers,my freddie done decorating for
    your mum,and what a lovely lady,very sad to hear you lost your mum&brother,your books
    are full of memories for me.also been reading books by patrick hanshaw about wapping,which
    was very true to life in wapping.i was bred & born in wapping in st george,s in the east hospital
    baptized,confirmed & married in st peters also went to st peters school.
    went to st peters on st peters day this year and walked in the childrens possession,was surprised
    how the children acted after the service,made a remark to the vicar about this,he said the church was a village church not a museum,this has made me very sad ,it was so uncalled for .
    i hope you get this email.yours sincerely emily culley

  5. Phillip Harding permalink
    May 23, 2013

    I have just read the piece by Madge Darby, my Granddad owned The Gun Tavern at 75 Wapping High Street damaged in the war and is now a restaurant. Good luck Madge and keep the world remembering Wapping. Phillip

  6. July 5, 2013

    I was recently re-reading Madge Darby’s book on Captain Bligh and a Google search came up with this article. How good it is to hear of her and see her looking so well.

    It was back in the 1980s that I joined an evening walking/history class that explored this fascinating area of London. Madge Darby was one of the guides along with the very friendly and knowledgeable Ray Newton. How I looked forward to these evening outings and how much I learned!

    Although not born in London I do still remember Wapping Wall before the re-development began and when it was still very much an abandoned and derelict cobbled street. The Dockmaster’s House area where Madge lives has been enormously “improved” since those days, but still has the feel of the old London Dock.

    It is good that Madge and others in the area still keep the old tradition in the public eye. I send them all my very best wishes.

  7. Janet Ware permalink
    September 24, 2013

    I was born in 1945.I also went to St Peters school & church my mother used to clean for Father Fox. We moved to essex about 1952 or 53.Lived in riverside mansions.My father a docker Charles Dobson & my Mother Letitia. Hope you can get back to me.

  8. December 31, 2013

    How nice to read all the comments about Wapping, I was also born in Wapping and went to St.Peters School. I lived in Riverside Mansions and I remember Janet Dobson well.

  9. patrick green permalink
    March 25, 2014

    lovely I was born in wapping in 1945 I had twin terry I lived matlida houses my dad was docker

  10. Sheila Rogers (nee OBrien) permalink
    March 29, 2014

    I have only just read this article on Madge. I also was born in Wapping in 1948 and although I moved out when I married in 1967, my mum and dad lived in Jackman House until 2006 but they often talked of Madge who is well known by all Wapponites. My dad was also a docker as was most of my uncles.

  11. Trish permalink
    July 11, 2014

    I am looking for relatives who live in Wapping from the 1800s their surname were Heather and I believe my great great great grandmother was the post mistress there
    Regards Trish Howard

  12. Angela Ferris - nee WEBB permalink
    August 1, 2014

    I to recall the Darby’s.I was born in Wapping during the early 1950′s mum’s name Bobo Boorman – nee Webb, who lived in Wapping all her life. I went to StPeter’s church and St Peter’s school, with my sister’s June and Margaret. My mum worked in St Peter’S school. Spent many nights over at the Pier Head girls club the very large house which over looks the Thames. Recently took a nostalgic walk around Wapping how it’s changed. Had a lovely meal in the Town of Ramsgate, back in the 1960′s my friend parents ran the pub. Mrs Culley, I remember your daughters Christen and Carole,

  13. August 14, 2014

    As a penniless American college student, I stumbled upon Wapping one Sunday evening in 1985. It was love at first sight. The windows were missing from some of the warehouses along the High Street, and I could still smell the spices. There’s a magic about the place.

  14. Andrew Chapman permalink
    August 18, 2014

    I lived in Raines Mansions from my birth in 1952 until 1971 when we – my parents Ernest and Rose (nee Morris) and my sister Lynne – were moved out to allow demolition of Raines Mansions ( not that there was anything wrong the the flats themselves). I recall many of the names of the people above including Bobo Boorman who my mother knew well.

    I now live in Mile End but have only the fondest memories of growing up in Wapping.

    My email address is and happy to respond to any old Wappingers!


  15. Mrs Kathleen Jackson nee'Budd permalink
    November 7, 2014

    I have found these storys fascinating especially today as I found out by chance that my paternal great Grandmothers ,Grandfather George James Armstrong was born in 1793 in Old Gravel Lane and, baptised 5/5/1793 at St Johns Wapping. His Father George was a waterman His mother was named Mary. George James eventually became a coal merchant living in bridge Street Stepney in 1841 .where my two times Grandfather Martin Armstrong was born, He was married to a French woman Stephanie Charlotte Catherine Lemoine One of their Daughters Cicely Horcholle Armstrong married my Great G.father Henry Samuel Herbert Budd. Cicely was My Dads Grandmother, probably no interest to anyone else but to me very important to know my links to London My Maternal Grandfather was a porter at Billingsgate in the nineteen twenties for his brother Robert Gillards firm based at St Mary at Hill with stalls in the market ,selling his own cured I am very proud of my London Heritage.

  16. Jan permalink
    January 9, 2015

    I am very proud of being born in wapping 1950 , my father mother and their families all lived in wapping, going right back to 1840, as far as I can go sees my g/g/grandfather coming from Ireland and working in the docks as a coal tipper,in wapping. My uncle said they were called irish cockneys, what a lovely view from madge window looking over the river.

  17. john duncombe permalink
    March 2, 2015

    I too was born in Wapping in 1946 and certainly remember Madge and her brother Jeffrey when they lived in, I think, St Gabriel’s in Wapping Lane when we lived in Woodside Mansions.

    Our respective flats were separated by the Goodwins factory, who made canvas sheeting for lorries and tents etc.

    I and others who were in the St peters Scout troop still go back to the Town Of Ramsgate every year, which is right next door to Madges house, for a few beers and more than a few reminiscences. Most years Madge is in there having a quiet half, maybe this year Ill say hello…

  18. Cynthia Allen (nee Owen) permalink
    March 26, 2015

    I have only just found this site and what interesting reading.
    According to the family records I have, my Gt Grandfather Thomas Cousins Owen was born in No 2 Pierhead in 1838 and was baptised on 17th October 1838 in the parish of St Boltolph. His father my Gt Gt Grandfather was also a Thomas and he was shown in the 1841 census as Dockmaster of St Katherines Docks. He died in June 1846 aged 47 and he is buried in Nunhead Cemetary in Linden Grove.
    I came to London last year and went to the Maritime Museum in the hopes of finding out more about my family but sadly drew a blank, but while there I had a lovely wander round took many photos of St Katherines Dock and the Pierhead houses.
    Is there anyone who would have any info on this family I would be delighted to hear from them.
    Cynthia Allen

  19. Jill Lanham permalink
    April 14, 2015

    I was just trying to find out some more info about the Petley family when I came upon this site – very thrilling. Sophia Petley, Robert Petley (1776 – 1845)’s daughter is my great great grandmother. Her daughter Hannah, had my grandma Daisy (who was born in Wapping), and she had my Mum Dorian who is still alive at 92. She says her Mum learnt to walk on Wapping Flats and they all went to St Peter’s church and knew Father Pollock. Mum remembers Harry Darby. So Madge is my 2nd cousin 1 x removed! I am keen to find out more about my Watermen and Lightermen ancestors, the Petleys, the Evans, the Gorbetts etc. Maybe I need to get a copy of Madge’s books? Please get back to me.

  20. Jill Lanham permalink
    April 14, 2015

    I made a mistake above – it should be Wanstead Flats not Wapping Flats – please can you alter it. Thanks Jill

  21. Roy west permalink
    May 31, 2015

    very interesting seeing all the replys about Wapping,I also grew up in Wapping born in Exeter in 1941,we moved in to the dolls house(pearl street buildings) and had lots of good times in Wapping ,I wished I still lived there now and know the pear head as a young lad where we went there to (nitty Norhs),I went to St. Peter’s school also as a kid in Agatha street the infant school then round meeting house ally the secondary school,there I was head boy and won the pollock prize a missal/prayer book which I still have that was in July 1954,first job I had was in the yard of SUNTUGS Alexander’s,then worked in the gun wharf as a tea sampler then joined the PLA transport,Wapping was a wonderful community then full of hard working family’s and good people and marreid a Wapping girl from riverside mansions then Jeannie Barrett,we lived in the dolls house during the war and I can still remember being carried on my dads shoulder running to the shelters.

  22. Janet Ware permalink
    June 13, 2015

    hi Carol O’Reilly
    ,Can you get back to me.What number Riverside Mansions did you live? &care you on F/B.

  23. Gill permalink
    June 16, 2015

    Hi what a delight to come across this site having just found out that my grandfather lived in the but also owned/run his own bakery in wapping street/lane and apparently it is still a bakery. would love to know where I can get the history of the bakery his surname was dolder and he left the shop in the war to take his family to safety – sadly he did not return to the area

    look forward to hearing from you with any info on this or where I can purchase such info.

  24. Roy west permalink
    June 20, 2015

    Gill the bakery that was in Wapping lane 1949 and probably before then was called SHELVEYS, not 100% if that was the spelling but as a kid we used to go in there and ask for stale cakes,and on good Friday remember lining up for the lovely hot cross buns,the shop was opposite watemans (frenches ) the sweet shop.

  25. Gill permalink
    June 27, 2015

    Hi Roy

    thank you for your comments – I so need to come up to wapping – do you remember roughly the number of the shop? whether there could be any photo’s?

  26. Noybo permalink
    June 30, 2015

    The bakers on Wapping Lane is P&J. An ordinary traditional local bakers but the best bread anywhere in London. Here is a picture

  27. Gill permalink
    July 16, 2015

    hi guys

    my auntie seems to think it used to be in gravel lane (renamed since) and that the bakery is not far from a block of flats does this sound right?

    coming up at of July – very excited

  28. Roy west permalink
    August 11, 2015

    It was in gravel lane just past St Peters church on the left and just past the pub that was then called the three Swedish crowns and the block of flats if my memory serves me right was WELSH house and opposite was the estate that included jack an house above the parade of shops.

  29. Edna permalink
    August 15, 2015

    My Mum and Dad had Frenches sweetshop. I remember the west family, my brother Bob was friends with Kenny, he still lives in wapping. He turned 80 this year. I live in Hornchurch. I think Peter West lived there for a while. My grandparents lived in wapping, most people would know my grandmother as Aunt Beat or as the Insoles. I often think of wapping, best place in the world to have grown up.
    Nice to read and recognise some of the names of the wappingites

  30. James King permalink
    August 23, 2015

    I too lived in Wapping in Whitethorne House Prusom Street in the fifties. My Grandad Mat Wilson was the caretaker at Riverside Mansions in the early days. He went on to become caretaker at John Scurr House Ratcliffe. I wonder if any body can remember him.

  31. Maureen West permalink
    August 23, 2015

    Hi Edna,
    Just reading through this site. Nice to know that Bobby is still around. I am married to Kenny and it was us who lived in Elm Park, not Peter. I remember meeting you there one day. I only lived in Wapping when we got married, but it was a lovely, lovely place and as others have said, a nice community, more like a village. We now live in Herne Bay as do a lot of the West brothers. Please give our regards to Bobby.

  32. Roy west permalink
    September 9, 2015

    Hi Edna,are you married to John Howlett?Roy

  33. Jean Partleton permalink
    September 25, 2015

    Hi everyone.

    How lovely to read Madge’s web page and to see all the comments from people, some of who I remember.

    I lived in Wapping until I married in 1975 and then moved to Stepney. Hopefully people will remember me as Jean Mills. I went to St. Peter’s School (s) until the Secondary school closed and then went to Sir John Cass, just on the borders of the City. It was quite a thing in those day to have to travel to school!

    There are a lot of names I remember, Emily Culley (I remember your sisters and nieces and nephers who lived, as I did, in Old Tower Flats, Brewhouse Lane), also Carol Byatt, John Duncombe, Edna French (yes I remember your Dad and Mum’s lovely sweet shop) and a the mention of John Howlett (went to school with him) and Andrew Chapman (we must live quite near as I live quite near to Stepney Green Station). So many memories. If anyone would like to get in touch it would be great.

    Jean Partleton

  34. Roy west permalink
    October 3, 2015

    Hi jean,your dad was the sort of caretaker in old tower buildings,my aunts and uncles also lived there as did my brother and my old nan and granddad the Johnsons,John Howlett I also went to school with him,so I remember mr and Mrs Mills,you may not remember me after a lifetime almost .

  35. October 10, 2015

    My mum Kathleen Allan was born in Wapping in 1937 and her brother Peter was born in 1944. They lived in Jackman House and then moved to Lowder House. My nan was Maggie Allan (nee Duggan) and she owned Raines Cafe with her sister (my great aunt) Eileen. I can’t remember when it closed but I think it was the mid 1980′s. Their main custom was dockers, workers from the wharves and builders. It was a proper working mens’ cafe. Teas, cooked breakfast, sausage sandwiches and no messing about! I think they gave up the lease when Raines Mansions were sold off for Yuppy flats! My great grandmother was Lousise Duggan, married to Tim who lived for a while in Lowder House too. Well, all of my mum’s side of the family are from Wapping and I still have a 95 year old Aunt who still lives in Wapping. My aunty Eileen lives in Poplar. The rest have moved out or are no longer with us. My mum moved to ‘appy ‘ampstead when she married my dad but we went to Wapping every week to see my nan and grandfather Johnny Allan (he was a dock worker and previously drove the brewery horses for Whitbread) and she came to us every Saturday. I remember Weddings and funeral in St Patricks and going on outings with them to Walsingham. Also member Sister Theresa from St Patricks and Mary Morris doing the readings. She read at my nan’s funeral. I remember the swing bridge on Wapping High street opening every so often to let the big ships through to the docks. I guess that has gone now. I now live on the Isle of Lewis and the community here is in some ways quite like that in Wapping. Everyone knows everyone’s business, when someone has died, when someone is in trouble and who puts their washing out on Sunday! And…everyone has a knick-name.

  36. Jean Partleton permalink
    October 13, 2015

    Hi Roy, I’m sorry I can’t put a face to the name but the name is familiar. Yes my Dad was the caretaker for Old and New Tower Flats. Both the buildings are still standing but were not fully occupied a few years ago, still that may have changed now.

  37. Roy west permalink
    October 17, 2015

    Hi Jean,I do remember your mum and dad in old tower buildings,he was caretaker there when the HAMBERGURES lived there and Paul Streuss not sure about both spellings,as I said my old nan and grandad as well as my aunts and uncles lived there also the Johnsons and Toefields,long while ago so do have to struggle to remember all this but they were good times never to be forgotten.

  38. October 21, 2015

    What a surprise! I was pointed in the direction of this website by family members in Doncaster (The Ashurst family) who used to live in Raines Mansions so have been reading the comments with great interest and nostalgia. I am Peter Coxell, my wife is Brenda (nee Wood). We got married in St Peters London Docks 51 years ago and have lived in Somerset for 0ver 40 years now. We both went to St Peters Church and attended the church school. I was a choir boy and server for many years, then went to St Georges church over the bridge where I played the organ at services. I lived in Fenner House and Parry house, Brenda lived in Woodside Mansions right opposite the church until our marriage when we moved to Bishops Stortford. It was great to read your news Jean (nee Mills). If you remember I ran the 24th Stepney St Peters London Docks scout group with your brother, Eddie. We recall some names in this post and one has been mentioned, Paul Struce, with whom I sang in the choir. Obviously, I remember Madge and her brother Jeffrey when they lived in St Gabriels. Other familiar names are the Gillmans, Milligans, Tom Green, Ted & Lilly Hyde, Alf Roffey(sadly now deceased) and Helena Chilton who was a teacher when my mum worked at the infants school. My mum moved to Upper Clapton to be housekeeper to Fr Southgate but she too has sadly passed away. We have been talking now for some time of visiting Wapping to see how things have changed and now my son has a flat in West London which he uses during the week for business purposes, we may well be able to achieve our wish. Anyway, I have gone on long enough even though there are so many memories I could talk about. If you pick this up anyone who knows us please keep the post going as I am sure we would enjoy fond memories of Wapping – Thanks Madge.

  39. Angela WEBb permalink
    October 24, 2015

    Hi Jean Partleton, nee MILLS. Are you the same Jean that would be my old girl guide leader.I remember both your parents living in Old Tower buildings, what wonderful flats they were,. I spent many happy times playing on the bomb ruin by Old Tower building with friends, Culley’s and the Dunn’s and Pat Commons, we all went to the Guides in St.Peters School hall you and Mrs Andrews where the leaders, am I correct, did you also help the St. Peter’s nuns run the coral league. Can you remember passing on your ice skating boots to me Angela, I have two sisters June and Margaret., my mum was known as Bobo, a great aunt and uncle Lil and John Gillman had the shop between the laundry and library.

  40. Angela WEBb permalink
    October 24, 2015

    Peter Coxell, of 20 Parry House well hello,I and my family the Webb’s were your next door neighbours, three girls at 21 Parry House, can recall both you and your mum, can see you now in your alter boy dress, in fact one of my sisters may have a picture of you walking in the St.Peters procession, as did my mum who also worked in St.Peters school. Yes I agree Thanks Madge.

  41. October 25, 2015

    Hi Angela. Just returned from a weekend away with my son in Guildford and picked up your message. Imagine my surprise when I saw 20 Parry House! Yes, I remember your family very well as we lived right opposite of course. How are you all, and are you still living in London? Since this all started Brenda(my wife)and I have been reminiscing and piecing together our thoughts and memories of the names that have been mentioned. I remember John Duncombe as a member of the St.Peters scout group and in fact he lived in the same block as Brenda(Woodside Mansions)and his sister Pauline married my cousin Alan Ward. Over the weekend we have been telling my son about this forum and telling him about all the shops we remembered including French’s, the Post Office, green grocers,etc., and of course all the pubs! As yourself, I remember clearly playing on the bomb sites and often feel proud to tell friends about it down here in Somerset as to what a great community we had in Wapping. These posts have made us even more determined to go back to Wapping and we were only saying today it would be great if we could all meet up for a reunion!! Still waiting to hear back from Jean as I knew her very well from the church and her brother Eddie via the scouts. Anyway, keep in touch.

  42. john waldock permalink
    October 30, 2015


    My family lived in Riverside Mansions…did you know the Ryans?

  43. joanne permalink
    November 29, 2015

    Does anyone recall the Stock family of Wapping – may have lived in Imperial Mansions, or Riverside Mansions in the 1940′s ( when they were not yuppy flats!) My dad was Albert Stock, son of Thomas and Sarah Stock. Big family, Catholic family siblings included Tommy, Pat. Mary. Dad was an alter boy. Am trying to trace lost relatives. Bert. my dad died in 1950 – very young at 27, caught tb in the RAF camp during training… and he worked in the co-op office before he enlisted. Any clues? thanks so much, Joanne Scott (nee Stock)

  44. Mary Fletcher permalink
    December 3, 2015

    Was lawless.born in wrapping in 1950 went to st peters sch.had family living in flats by the school also my granddad sold fruit and veg he lived in Matilda house my aunt Liz green and husband john lived in the flat above.we moved out of jub building’s in 59 headed for dunstable now wirral.lost contact with family when my parents died.found memories of wapping and the market photos off school marches and two cousins in that school Roy .John lawless

  45. John waldock permalink
    December 31, 2015

    Hello all,
    Just thought id add some more to see if it stirred any memories.
    My mum was born a Ryan in Wapping to a large catholic family.
    Her dad was Michael Ryan. The family started off in Tench street just up from the Turks head pub.
    He was in the Wapping Band and a Docker.
    During the war the street was bombed out so the family relocated to Luton. My grandad married my nan Joan from Leytonstone and they lived for a time in River side Mansions. They had 3 children Anthony, Maureen and Sheila. My grandads final residence in wapping was Reardon house.
    There is a bench in the garden of the Turks Head dedicated to my uncle who sadly passed away.
    Wapping is a place he all ways loved to visit and where we have made a point of visiting a few times since.
    If anyone new the Ryan’s I would love to hear from you.
    Happy new year to all,
    John waldock

  46. Jan permalink
    February 3, 2016

    James King , you mentioned white thorn house in the 50s. Sao you remember the Callaghan family , I think number 12 but not sure, they lived right at the end of one of the balcony. In prusom street , they were my grandparents. My nan was nell Callaghan . Any info would be appreciated. I was born in colemans close called honeymoon court 1951 wapping.

  47. Jean Partleton permalink
    February 8, 2016

    Hello everyone, especially to Roy (West), Angela (Webb) and Peter (Coxell). What happy memories reading your comments.

    Hi Roy. Good you remember the Hambergers, the Struss’, Johnson’s and Tofields. I’m still in touch with John Seago, his aunt and uncle lived in Tower Flats, but John is now living south of the River with his wife.

    Hello Angela. Yes, I’m the horrible guider who helped Mrs. Andrews. Can’t remember much about the Coral League but of course remember the Sisters at St. Peters. Good to know you can remember about the ice skating boots – I can’t!! Yes I can still remember your Mum, Bobo and Johnny and Lil Gilman. I believe Paul (their son) still lived in Tower Flats, but that was some time ago.

    Hello Peter. Pleased you have joined the forum but I’m a bit rubbish at looking at it. How is Brenda, I hope she is well. My brother Eddie is well and living in a small village in Oxfordshire. His wife died in 2013 but he has two sons, one who lives with him, so he is looked after and both sons keep an eye on him. I’m still living in London. Just 20 minutes from Wapping in Stepney. It would be lovely if we could have a reunion and so good to see you all again.

  48. Eddie Mills permalink
    February 11, 2016

    Hello, my sister Jean Partleton (Mills) mentioned this site to me and Madge’s book in particular. To all who remember me “Hello” . Very quickly, evacuated to South Wales to my maternal grandmother’s. School was St. Peter’s, then Lewisham Technical, from there a carpentry & joiner apprenticeship near Victoria Park, Mile End. I was introduced to ice skating and specialised in dance. This became a lifelong passion and although not terribly good – this was the beginning of the John Curry & Chris and Jayne era and there was no one in their class. I became a judge in dance and have had many opportunities to travel within the UK and abroad, to judge and spectate. I married and moved to Teddington and our house was opposite the entrance to Bushy Park, walk through the park to Hampton Court. Teddington had a very tiny village church, it would fit inside St. Peter’s twice. I was sacristan there. My elder son Adrian still lives in Sunbury on Thames, and younger son lives in Wantage just a few miles away from me, he has a daughter. When our house became too large and on retirement Joy (my wife) and I decided to move to Stanford – just outside Wantage – and only 14 miles from Oxford. Unfortunately Joy passed away 2 years ago. Stanford has a village community spirit so familiar to Wapping.
    I have always been proud of my earlier life and upbringing in Wales and Wapping, the lush green Rhondda valleys with black faced miners and the desolate bomb sites of London. The churches, St. Peter’s and St. Patrick’s. the scout group and the camps we went to, many are the names that come to mind. Coincident – I was on Christmas Island (in the RAF) in the South Pacific, and talking to the padre one day he was a friend of Fr. Fox. from St. Peter’s, halfway round the world to meet friends.
    Just a final note before you become totally bored, Jean and I have been researching our family tree and before she passed away Joy wrote her life story which has been put as part of her life. I have also been doing like wise. Now of course we say “if only we had talked more” so get out your pens and paper to record your life for your family. My other great interest was photography, and I am gradually going through my negatives and slides and many were taken of scout camps so hopefully will be able to produce prints and send them to people involved.
    To see modern Wapping if you are unable to get there, use google earth to take a trip.
    Many thanks to Madge for the books and encouraging more of us communicate.

  49. james king permalink
    February 12, 2016

    Hi Jan,
    Sorry I don’t recall the Callaghan family in Whitethorn House, I do recall however family Rusgoe, and family Townsend both lived on the first floor.

  50. Jan permalink
    February 19, 2016

    Thanks for the reply James. If I recall my nan died in the early 50s and my grandad moved in with his daughter at riverside mansions.. Do you remember the place colemans close .it was named honeymoon court near the the pub top of prusom street.that was where I was born.

  51. Peter Coxell permalink
    February 26, 2016

    Very busy decorating at present but thought I would have a quick look at the forum. I am thrilled that you have got in touch again Jean, and what a great surprise to hear from Eddie after all these years! It was such a joy to read all your news Eddie but so sorry to hear about Joy, please accept my condolences, late though they may be. I have so much to tell you and share all our reminiscences of Wapping but must get on with the wallpapering so when I am finished, will sign on again and carry on where we left off. Briefly, Jean, my son has now bought himself a flat in Westminster as he works in London a great deal, so once he is settled in we are coming up for a long weekend and will definitely be going back for a look at Wapping as it is now. It would be great if we could meet up so nearer the time I will give you some dates to see if you are free. I know Brenda is very keen to come back and we will have so much to talk about I am sure.

  52. February 28, 2016

    Hi again Jean & Eddie(Ted). Have finished wallpapering so having a well deserved rest. At 74 years of age I really should be calling time at this sort of thing and after 3 falls from ladders Brenda is not too keen on me carrying on. Still, broken ribs heal pretty quite these days! Funny enough Eddie, whilst I was up in the loft before Christmas getting the decorations down I came across hundreds of colour slides going back many years. I got the projector down and we had a family slide show. I had several going back to the old Wapping days and there are some with the scout goup with Fr Foizey and John Seago. Do you remember those leather shorts you wore Eddie? I have the proof on film! I also had some of the advance party (You & Me) on our camp to Sidmouth. We had the job of digging the latrines before the lads arrived – those were the days, eat you heart out Bear Grylls. The nightly raids on the guides camp was a real laugh but I don’t suppose Jean would approve! Building zip wires at Midhurst was really fun but I bet Health & Safety would have a fit now. After our wedding Brenda & I moved to Bishops Stortford in Herts. and I joined the Westminster Bank in the City. After a short spell(about 7 years) I joined the Hertfordshire Police and did spells in uniform, CID and then started up the Fraud Squad. We decided to up sticks and move to Somerset & I got a position in the Somerset& Bath Police, working up again to the Fraud Squad in Bristol. This took me all over the country and even abroad so it was an very exciting time. I left the Avon & Somerset force as a Sergeant in Yeovil and joined a National retail company as a manager, working up to Regional Manager until the company was taken over (now Iceland). When I transferred to Somerset I joined the local Air Cadet Squadron as a civilian instructor, working my way up to Flight Lt. in charge. Much like going back to the Scouts I suppose but with plenty of activities and best of all, flying on all sorts of aircraft, including helicopters.My son, Graham, went to Cranwell mainly to fly but he did not make the grade as a pilot so eventually left to start of his own businesses. He has done extremely well owning several companies, including a stockbrokers, with an 82 foot yacht based in the Med and a big estate in Surrey. My daughter, Susan, lives locally, but does not enjoy good health and between the two we have 5 grandchildren. We celebrated our Golden Wedding 2 years ago and were going to have our wedding blessed at St Peters but never got the opportunity to get there. I see that you were in the RAF then – how long did you serve? Brenda & I keep very busy in retirement. Brenda goes to WI & MU and is very active at our local church. I an the coordinator for a surgery based charity who recruit volunteers to visit the elderly, lonely and vulnerable people at home, for a chat over a cup of tea,get shopping,take them out to community based activities,etc., I have a team of 14 lovely volunteers which keeps me busy when I am not playing bowls. My mum moved down to Weston Super Mare many years ago but unfortunately passed away 11 years ago now. Brendas mum lived with us here for 20 years but again, she passed away 5 years ago aged 91. We toured in a caravan for about 40 years but last year we gave up touring both abroad and in the UK and now have a static caravan on the edge of Dartmoor which we will be using on a regular basis in the Summer. Anyway, I have gone on for long enough so do keep in touch and let me know how you are and send any memorable thoughts of Wapping. Best Wishes, Peter.

  53. Janet Ware permalink
    March 13, 2016

    Hi Roy, I remember Jeannie Barratt.Her sis Rita my best friend.Who now lives in Canada.No internet apparently.She lost Husband Bobby sad to say.I am in touch with her Granddaughter Jemma also in Canada.but never really says much to me.

  54. Janet Ware permalink
    March 20, 2016

    No sorry never new the Ryan’s.x

  55. Roy west permalink
    April 9, 2016

    He Janet, I am in touch with Rita a couple of times a month, where did you live in wapping ?i lived in Penang house then when Jean and I got married in 1963 we moved into gravel street ( honeymoon cottages),good to see so many old wappingites remembering how good a place in wapping to be brought up,and sad to see how we all moved in different areas still all getting old now but still good to look back at better times.

  56. Jan permalink
    April 16, 2016

    Janet do you remember my nan Hannah Hurley she lived in Penang house her surname was Allen and she also lived in Malay house , I remember visiting her in the 60s honeymoon cottages were they at colemans close, if so I was born there 1951.

  57. Terry Patrick permalink
    April 21, 2016

    Just discovered this site! I was born at 10 Riversde Mansons in 1946, and lived in Jackman House untill we moved to Roehampton 1957. Went to St Patricks infant and then St Patricks boys school. What an incredable place to grow up! We were never safer then in Wapping. Does anyone know the name of the pup that was on the corner of Prusom and Garnet Streets?

  58. lisa jane murphy permalink
    April 21, 2016

    I recently embarked on a family search, and was smiling from ear to ear when I was to realise all my fathers side came from wapping, Shadwell and Stepney.. my great grand parent came out of n03 raine street. my grandfather was a stevedore.he worked in red lion street. the name of my granparents were taplin and my great nans maiden name was bond. my nan whos name was Elizabeth was their daughter. Elizabeth married an henry murphy who was my grand father. I have only just discovered all this as I was a 60s love child..

  59. Kathy permalink
    May 4, 2016

    I left Wapping when I was eight years old But I have many memories of growing up there
    We lived in Wainwright House. Our bedroom window looked out to The Jolly Sailor pub. My auntie lived in Garnet Street in a flat that looked at first appearance to be a terraced house with two front doors but was, in fact, an upstairs and downstairs flat They are no longer there.

    I can recall my Mum mentioning many of the surnames that I have seen on this site namely Duggan Hurley and Ryan. Mum lived in Riverside Mansions before she married. My paternal grandmother lived in Lowder house Both of my Grandmothers were of Irish descent
    (Murphy and Doyle were their maiden names) .

    I went to St Patricks and I too remember going to Walsingingham I also recall the nuns with their big skirts and canes !

  60. Jean Partleton permalink
    May 15, 2016

    Hi everyone

    Peter, glad to know the decorating is now finished. If you and Brenda are planning a visit to Wapping, let me know as it would be good to meet up again.

  61. May 17, 2016

    As someone who has just moved into Wapping (2016), these comments are so exciting to see! Lots of history and many fond memories from everyone.

    The bakery is P&J on Wapping Lane, I live in the block of flats next door, Welsh House.

  62. Janet Ware permalink
    May 20, 2016

    Hi Roy give Rita my love.Would love to be in contact with her.xx

  63. Janet Ware permalink
    May 20, 2016

    Roy I lived in Wapping riverside mansions from 1945 when I was born until 1952.At number 32.lived in Hsrold hill essex.Then married & Moved to Hornchurch.X

  64. Roy west permalink
    May 23, 2016

    Hi Janet, I will mention you to Rita I was recently talking to Rita on Skype in Canada,it is great to read comments from all the people who remember the good times in Wapping,plenty of good people and memories of some of them from all the past years spent in Wapping,Riverside always holds a special memory because my lovely wife Jean lived there but sadly passed away last year a good old Wapping girl through and through.

  65. Melanie permalink
    May 26, 2016

    Hi Joanne, only just found this site, Sarah Stock was my great grandmother. I lived in Whitethorn House until 1971.

  66. Amjad permalink
    June 1, 2016

    Hi. It’s a shame that you all left wapping it’s such a amazing place to be, and being raised here I feel proud, the community here is amazing we all look out for one another and we stick together and work well together. Love the area and the people been here since 1986. Amjad

  67. Jo Woodvine (nee O'Brien) permalink
    June 20, 2016

    Both my parents were born and bred in Wapping and I have many happy memories of visiting my nan – who lived in Watts Street Buildings.
    I have a wonderful poem written by George Ransome “The Bard of Wapping” that I would like to reproduce as it completely describes the old Wapping Processions and days gone by.

    I walked in Wapping Procession myself as my grandfather was “Old Tim O’Brien” the Band Leader. I hope you will love this poem as I do:

    “Now if you were born in Stepney in the East End long ago
    If you lived in Wapping or Watney Street or worked in Butchers Row
    It’s ten to one you had relations that were living in Stepney Green
    And four of the finest parish bands the End End’s ever seen.

    How I wish the old processions would take place here once again
    To see St Patrick’s band from Wapping marching down Old Gravel Lane
    To hear St Mary’s and St Michael’s playing along Commercial Road
    And Our Lady’s Band from Limehouse forming up in Island Row.

    How we loved the Pipers in their kilts that came from Tower Hill
    Those processions we had in Stepney – how I wish we had them still.
    The drums and fifes and the sound of the pipes was the music we loved to hear
    As we chatted to our neighbours who we hadn’t seen for a year.

    They whitewashed the kerbs the night before on the route the procession went
    And to dress their children at their best – poor people spent their rent.
    For these were special occasions and nothing was too dear
    It was the Big Day for each parish and it came just once a year.

    You met Auntie Kate and cousin Ted and shook hands with your Uncle Mike
    All the relations got together for a Knees Up on the night.
    It was always the happiest day of the year for dear old Mum and Dad
    So proud of their sons and daughters and the Band that the parish had.

    The Tower Hill Pipers marched along to The Wearing of the Green
    And then came the Band from Wapping playing Down by the Old Mill stream.
    With Limehouse following close behind playing Jigs and Reels
    Commercial Road were striking up with a tune close behind on their heels.

    At night they blessed the Altars with the local parish priests
    With flags and bunting flying from windows and all along the streets.
    All the local pubs were crowded out and everyone would sing
    In the days of Father Higley, Canon Reardon and Canon Ring.

    And Tim O’Brien – he trained the sons of the men who went to war
    To play The Wearing of the Green and The Hat Me Father Wore.
    With statues of Our Lady and Our Lord held shoulder high
    The East End pavements were lined with crowds who watched them walking by.

    School children holding banners with the Infants holding the strings
    And when the Bands began to play – the parishioners sang the hymns.
    Sweet little girls dressed in silk with flowers in their hair
    Little angels walking with their hands joined up to God in silent prayer.

    The boys all wore grey flannels and their shirts and shoes were white
    And the Guards and Maids of Honour always were a lovely sight.
    Pipe Bands marched here from The Borough and from dear old Canning Town
    With the Drums and Fifes from Custom House – they never let us down.

    St Joseph’s came from Rotherhithe and the Band came from Dockhead
    And whenever a Band stopped playing, then another played instead.
    The last procession of them all each year took place at Saffron Hill
    And coming home – all the Bands massed up – I can remember still.

    Wapping, Limehouse and Commercial Road together with three Drum and Fifes
    And the drums carried on when the flutes stopped playing with a five pace roll for the Fifes.
    As they marched back home from Clerkenwell – the music sweet and loud
    Those good old bands from Stepney – they always did us proud.

    They marched together to Aldgate East then went their different ways
    How we miss those old processions now way back in the Good Old Days.
    If I had my life to live over I would love those days again
    Without those old processions now the East End’s not the same.

    It always brings back memories when those Church Bells start to ring
    Of those days of Father Higley, Canon Reardon and Canon Ring
    With plumes of Ostrich feathers on the cap of the Band Leader’s head
    With the Mace in his hand, he led the Band – and now enough has been said

    To remind the East End people living in Stepney years ago
    That they were some of the finest days that we will ever know.”

  68. Jan permalink
    June 24, 2016

    Joanne. Do you remember the Callaghan family who lived in white thorn house

  69. Peter Coxell permalink
    June 28, 2016

    Hi again Jean. Been so busy visiting Devon over the past month or so and have only just picked up your last post. Brenda & I have penciled in October as a good time to come down to Wapping. We will be staying in our son’s flat for a few days, probably with two of our grandchildren who are very keen to see London and in particular Wapping where “Nan & Grandad” grew up. We have not worked out the exact dates at present but will probably be half term week (last week in October down here in Somerset. As you say, it would be great to meet up and if anyone else can make it also what a reunion that would be! (take note Angela!!!). I will let you know the dates and see if we can arrange something.
    By the way Jo, enjoyed reading your piece – great stuff!

  70. July 10, 2016

    Hi again Jean/Angela and anyone who remembers me & Brenda(nee Wood). We have just arranged to come down to London on 26th October for 3/4 days so if anyone can make it can we meet up in Wapping sometime convenient? I suggest meeting outside St Peters as that is where I think most people will know. Anyway, if you pick this up and can make it look forward to seeing you then.

  71. September 23, 2016

    My family were the Gillmans. Great Great Grandfather was St. Leger Joseph Gillman. Would love to hear from anyone who knew this family. Also the Gabbedey family.

  72. Greta Kelly permalink
    October 11, 2016

    Enjoying reading about all the people who live/lived in Wapping. I am what we call in Ireland a Blow In, a newcomer. I would love to join a local history group. Can’t seem to find one??? My husband’s company, an Irish company have an office here in the city. We love Wapping, the corner coffee shop on Cinnemon Street. The bakery. Breakfast at the Turkshead. I wonder what those small metal doors on the wall at the back of the bakery are/were for. I have come across two cannons used as bollards. I would love to know more about the street names. It makes me sad to see the lifebuoys thrown into Shadwell basin. It would be poetic justice, if those who threw them in were ever in need of rescuing.
    Greta Kelly (Clonakilty, Co Cork)

  73. Christine Ashby /Colley permalink
    October 12, 2016

    I lived at 10 Wapping Pierhead from 1963 to 1968, next door to Eddie Duggan and his wife, two doors up fromThe Town Of Ramsgate. They were police houses and Dad was in the PLA. Wonderful days. I think Helen Mirren lives there now. Anyone else live on The Pierhead at that time?

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